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February 07, 2003

The Yellow Mongrel is Back

Mixed Asian is back-and I have to point out this entry on eyelid surgery. I wonder, are all those JAPs getting nose-jobs expressing their self-hatred? They sure are the most self-absorbed self-hating group I've ever met....

Posted by razib at 01:50 AM

Strange ... I've got double eyelids, most of my relatives have got double eyelids, never even realised it was meant to be a 'caucasian' thing

Posted by: Jason Soon at February 7, 2003 05:01 AM

First of all, judging by other GNXP.com threads lately, one would say Oriental women are already doing just fine socially and romantically, without needing to change their eyelids (or anything else about themselves physically) one bit. The other thing is, I share Jason's perplexity: I always thought the cosmetic surgery in question was to *remove* the extra eye fold (the "epicanthic fold," is it called?), not create one.

Posted by: Unadorned at February 7, 2003 05:46 AM

Ooooops! I just read further, and I see they're talking not about the epicanthic fold, but about putting a crease between the upper lid and the brow above it. Now I understand (I guess it does always help to actually read the article one is commenting on before posting, after all .... sorry! Could I get away with blaming that lapse on my public-school education, I wonder?)

Posted by: Unadorned at February 7, 2003 05:52 AM

Here's a whole bunch of before and after pictures:


Posted by: Justin Slotman at February 7, 2003 11:48 AM

Unadorned, the epicanthic eye fold gives rise to what is referred to coloquially as 'slanty eyes'. But the double eyelids are also actually very common among Asians too, at least among the Asians I know. They seem more common among the Chinese than Japanese and Koreans.

Posted by: Jason Soon at February 7, 2003 02:54 PM

Hmm, and here I was continuing to draw lessons on east asian self-hatred from those huge purple-eyed, Caucasoid Japanese anime characters. Silly me.

Posted by: Suman Palit at February 8, 2003 02:08 PM

epicanthic fold comes down and covers another line that exists beneath it. So in many Asians, you only see that epicanthic fold coming down. For the other Asians and other races, the fold doesn't come down, so u see the fold plus that additional line under it, giving a highlighted look to the eye, and thus not 'slanty.' Plastic sugery would bring the fold back up to reveal that line or crease, making the eye w/o the epicanthic fold.

The prevalence of caucasian looking characters in Japanese animation may stem from way back in history, when by copying and revering the western world, Japan industrialized and modernized quickly (around late 1800s). Continuing into today, Japanese people still have a sense of awe towards the western world, especially in popular culture. That's my guess why some people may say that they are 'self-hating.'
Most people of any race like big eyes, just because they probably make the person clearer as an individual. For example, Chinese people like big eyes, but still there's no big reverence for the western look as in Japan. I like to think it's because historically, China never liked the west (colonization, plus China is big and proud of itself).
If anyone plays Final Fantasy, notice that FFX was the first to feature many Japanese-looking characters, instead of characters that have that caucasian-anime look. That's a pretty cool advancement, in my opinion.

Posted by: asdf at August 29, 2003 11:38 PM