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February 24, 2003
HIV vaccine & race
Genetic factors? What sort of genetics, since all reputable scientists know that "race doesn't exist." Of course, the other factors might be be at play and explain the discrepancy (perhaps repeated sexual exposure to multiple strains of the virus?).
Posted by razib at
12:22 PM
When it comes to medicine, I don't think the attitude that "race doesn't exist" still holds down here. The serious scientists that I know accept it as fact that racial differences exist, physiologically, and require accounting for during treatment or study. Maybe having grappled with its demons has made the South more able to address the issue openly? Posted by: Grady at February 24, 2003 01:54 PMIs there any more data that would allow evaluation of the statistical significance of the results? The information they give indicates the sample seems way too small to really conclude anything-but i just heard on the radio that they recruited white gay men because it was an easy community to work with. of course, the assumption was that white gay men would react the same way as non-whites.... Posted by: razib at February 24, 2003 06:18 PMI got another piece of the puzzle (from a chart on the front page of my local paper, of all places) - seems that the infection rate for unvaccinated black men ended up being 8.1%, while for the vaccinated it was 2%. So probably 6 of 300-odd vaccine recipients versus 13 of the 157 placebo recipients got infected. That's actually pretty significant - definitely worth a followup. If you assume that a normal rate of infection would be 6% (which is what the rate for the white study group was) then getting only 6 of 300 infected would be very unlikely, much less than 1% probability that chance alone would account for it. Chance is even smaller if you use the 8% rate for the black placebo group as a baseline. In some ways the results are extremely promising, in that the nations of Africa need a vaccine more than anyone else - but unfortunately there's not as much money to be made with a vaccine that only works for blacks, so further tests on this one may not happen. Posted by: bbartlog at February 25, 2003 08:23 AMLets go to a new level of controvercy folks. http://www.libchrist.com/std/wsj.html Michael - People found a virus that correlates with a disease, but the correlation is not nearly good enough to infer causation. Posted by: michaelvassar at February 26, 2003 10:22 AMMichael, the existence of SIV and its relationship to HIV, plus the induction of AIDS in chimpanzees via HIV, all put the lie to those claims you quote. Duesberg has reduced himself to a crank over it, and Mullis was always pretty much there all along. Let it die. Posted by: Troy at February 26, 2003 11:58 PMYes. I no longer think the HIV/AIDS link is non-existent -- though many so-called AIDS cases probably do not have HIV. I have just put up a draft evolutionary explanation of the vaccine finding on This "AIDS does not exist" stuff is complete nonsense. Durban Declaration on HIV and AIDS "The evidence that AIDS is caused by HIV-1 or HIV-2 is clear- cut, exhaustive and unambiguous, meeting the highest standards of science. The data fulfill exactly the same criteria as for other viral diseases, such as polio, measles and smallpox: "* Patients with acquired immune deficiency syndrome, regardless of where they live, are infected with HIV.
moving back to the test results: I read in the Economist that the trial was for HIV type B, which is common in North America, less common in Asia, and almost unknown in Africa. Trials in Thailand are underway, and work against type C, the largest threat in Africa, is further back in the pipeline. So the results, even if the racial difference is significant, are not applicable to Africa, in general. From the article (which is still Economist Premium): It pointed to apparent efficacy among “blacks” and “Asians”. But these are groups of questionable biological validity, particularly since most subjects were American, with all the ancestral miscegenation that generally implies. On top of all this, the sample sizes of these retrospectively selected subgroups were not big enough for truly meaningful conclusions to be drawn. In the “black” subgroup, for example, there were only 13 infections: four among those who had received the vaccine and nine among a control group given a placebo. Posted by: Anthony at March 3, 2003 10:30 AM |
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