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March 08, 2003

Colby Cosh talks Turkey

Colby "Evil" Cosh speaks the truth when it comes to Turkey. I was in denial too long. Perhaps we need the Turks & Hinduvata types as our allies against Islamic terrorism, but we should never forget what they truly are....

The Europeans might be two-faced dweebs, but there's a reason they want to keep the EU a "Christian Club"-30 or 40 million believing Muslims flooding their cities and breeding like rats.

Posted by razib at 03:04 PM




I dont think its fair to compare the Turks and Hindutva militants..the former is secular and the latter is not..the only common thread between them is that both are anti-islamic fundamentalism in their regions..
as for the EU..I havent really understood why they would want the turkish rulers to ease their stranglehold on the country if they fear 30-40 million believers infesting their cities. They have cited the poor turkish human rights record as an impediment to turkey joining the EU.

Posted by: Pawan at March 8, 2003 04:02 PM


on point one-the two "allies" of the west that i cite are very different-in the abstract hinduvata is more sinister, but the BJP (and the NDA alliance that it heads) was democratically elected and they haven't done much practically to defame themselves (though they talk a bad game). in contrast, the turkish government & military has treated the kurds like the BJP fantasizes about treating the muslims & uses tortue and terror against its political enemies. so i guess it's a wash-the BJP has great evil potentional, which counts for me, and the turkish military has done a lot of nasty things already though its worst days are probably past it.

as for europe & the turks-the reason i say that europeans are two faced is that the humans rights crap is the their public objection-but their private feelings are probably more along the lines of fear of an islamic planet....

Posted by: razib at March 8, 2003 11:20 PM


I'd agree with you on your second observation however its not to maintain a pure christian society but to keep out what islam is generally perceived to bring with it. they dont have the same fixation with religion as America

I'd distinguish between the VHP and the BJP (Narendra Modi notwithstanding)...the BJP used the VHP to win elections but as a ruling party which functions at the international level it knows it cannot go extreme..the VHP on the other hand has some warped idea of hindutva as its agenda. ....going back to your original post..we might need these two "allies" but once goals are achieved you can let the turks remain but someone will need to dismantle and destroy the VHP once their short-term utility is exhausted.

Posted by: Pawan at March 9, 2003 05:51 AM