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June 27, 2003
Implications of chromosomal sex determination
Razib's recent entry on the erosion of the Y chromosome got me thinking: what advantages does this method of sex determination have that allow it to persist despite the ongoing problem of Y chromosome deterioration? A little research suggests that it may help us mammals make larger evolutionary jumps than would be possible for other classes of vertebrates, which use other methods of determining sex (birds also use chromosomes for sex determination, but more on them later). To begin with, see here for a discussion of a recent Y-chromosome mutation that may have led to the creation of modern humans as a separate species. The paper also goes into some detail on how mutations of the Y chromosome provide a mechanism for evolutionary saltation that overcomes some of the objections raised by the gradualists. Since mammals and birds don't do well in the first two categories, and can't afford the third feature given their investment in their young, I would guess that the development of their method of sex determination was a necessary precursor to the high-K reproductive strategies they use. Without it, the speciation or evolution rate for a high-K species would fall too low, and we would not have seen the great bursts of adaptive radiation that the mammals have shown.
Posted by bbartlog at
11:52 AM
Sorry to be a boring old gradualist again, but I don't understand the argument. Why do you think evolution would be slower if females are the heterogametic sex? Maybe females would then have more variable fitness, but so what? This would only be a problem if the average loss of fitness were so great that the population went into irreversible decline. There is no sign of this in birds. Judged by the number of species, they seem to evolve at least as fast as mammals. (NB the adaptive radiations of birds in the Galapagos and Hawaii.) Admittedly, birds seem rather uniform in morphology, compared to mammals, but I suspect this is largely due to their specialisation for flight. If you look at bird behaviour, rather than morphology, it is very varied - e.g. all the different kinds of nest building and courtship behaviour. I read some of the paper you linked to, and I noticed that the author is a psychiatrist. I think he may have been spending too much time with his patients. Posted by: David B at June 28, 2003 11:37 AMThe variety of birds suggests to me a class of animals that speciates more easily but with smaller changes overall. I will have to write something else to explain why I think the rate of speciation is not necessarily the same as the overall rate of genetic change. Of course flight also allows for easier colonization of islands, which contributes to the greater number of bird species. Anyway, I am by no means sure of my claim - I will be interested to see the data when and if we start wholesale sequencing of other species. I will use HF and HM for heterogametic females and males respectively: As for the author of the paper being a psychiatrist - I don't know enough hardcore genetics to evaluate his claims critically, but they sounded reasonable to me. His credentials are irrelevant to me (INTP that I am ;-) ) Posted by: bbartlog at June 28, 2003 12:55 PMThanks for explaining the HF/HM point. It's an interesting idea - basically, that if you are going to experiment with new genes, it's best to concentrate them on the sex with the greatest variance in reproductive success. This is a bit reminiscent of G. C. Williams's 'lottery ticket' theory of the advantage of sexual reproduction. It could help explain why males tend to be the heterogametic sex, though this is by no means a universal rule. Birds, snakes, butterflies and moths are HF. But mammals and most diptera (flies) are HM, and according to M. J. D. White (Cytology and Evolution) the majority of organisms that have a heterogametic system of sex determination are HM. However, I'm not convinced it would be a major factor in affecting the rate of evolution. For one thing, it is only relevant where genes are recessive, and these are usually harmful. Also, it only applies to one chromosome out of many. (E.g. in man, one out of 46 in the genome, assuming that the Y chromosome is mainly junk.) If there were really a big evolutionary advantage in exposing recessive genes to selection, then most organisms would be haploid, or at least haplodiploid (as in bees and ants), which is obviously not the case. Posted by: David B at June 29, 2003 03:09 AMYes. I agree that because the area of effect is limited to the sex chromosomes, the theory is rather tenuous. Thanks for the information on other HM and FM creatures - I knew there were some others, but concentrated birds and mammals because of their other similarities. Posted by: bbartlog at June 29, 2003 06:28 AMThere is a book on the evolution of sex determination systems by J. J. Bull, (about 1983), but I haven't read it. It occurs to me that another way of concentrating 'experimental' changes in males would be to make them 'sex limited', i.e. expressed in males but latent in females, like the antlers of deer. But I haven't thought through whether there would be any way for this to work in a 'selfish gene' context. Posted by: David B at June 30, 2003 02:46 AM |
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