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August 23, 2003

I got a bridge to sell you, oh, and Hollywood ain't liberal!

Left-leaning Hollywood: A myth dies (free subscription, LA TIMES):


"There are vocal people on the left Barbra Streisand, for example but on the other side there are people like Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson and Arnold, who have made their positions known. In fact, now that conservatism is fashionable, Republicans everywhere, including Hollywood, have become louder. There's been a change in the country, and Hollywood always reflects changes in the country. It doesn't lead change; it reflects it."

This is moronic, of the list, only Gibson is a right-wing nutter, and his main political venture was to get involved in Australian, not American, politics. Selleck is no longer registered a Republican (I am if you care!) and a pro-choice mildish libertarian, as is Willis (Bruce enjoys anal sex with porn stars, didja know?). Arnold is polishing his "moderate Republican" image, though I guess the support of right-wingers like Rob Lowe might indicate that his true brown colors are showing....

Oh, and you need to finish reading the article, the author points out that in the 1930s the Jewish moguls that ran Hollywood who were Republicans battled against Upton Sinclair's run for the governorship as a Democrat. Of course, it might be important that Sinclair wrote a thinly-veiled anti-Semitic book, so perhaps that was as important a reason as his liberal politics to oppose him? Also, did you know that like blacks Jews were Republicans before F.D.R.? You still have quasi-Socialists like Jacob Javits part of the Republican party past mid-century! But just leave this out of your article, details, details....

So yeah, I'm a little ticked, back in A.P. History again, pick a thesis, and defend it by selectively cherry picking & shading the evidence your way. Great. That's called journalism? I suppose it'll do....

Oh, and psst...in case you care, CEOs aren't Republican, it's the little guy, for real, The Wall Street Journal told me so!

Posted by razib at 02:59 AM




yo, german jews were staunch republicans. one of the many reasons they started settlement houses in the early 1900s in the immigrant slums was to convert the seething mass of politically radical orthodox-jewish commie rabbit-breeding russian jews (like my grandparents) to the GOP. didn't work.

Posted by: Diana at August 23, 2003 05:35 AM


Hey, the article didn't say they were right wing nutters, or even Republicans. It said they weren't liberal, and libertarians and moderate centrists aren't.

Posted by: Dick Thompson at August 23, 2003 06:05 AM


Mel Gibson, a "right wing nutter"? Hardly. What you mean is, of the actors listed, Gibson is the only true conservative among them.

Posted by: Rhodie at August 23, 2003 06:57 AM


"yo, german jews were staunch republicans. one of the many reasons they started settlement houses in the early 1900s in the immigrant slums was to convert the seething mass of politically radical orthodox-jewish commie rabbit-breeding russian jews (like my grandparents) to the GOP. didn't work"

Yikes. If a Gentile used those words, hed be labelled a Nazi in the bink of an eyeball!

Posted by: Peter Phillips at August 23, 2003 10:47 AM


mel gibson is a right-wing nutter, in his religious beliefs if not his political ones-he rejects darwin, vatican two, and has a holocaust denying father who belongs to a sect where he's a liberal because he accepts heliocentrism. of course, gibson isn't that active in american politics to my knowledge....

Posted by: razib at August 23, 2003 11:28 AM


"and has a holocaust denying father"

Arnold's father was a Nazi. I dont recollect anyone calling him a right-wing nutter.

Posted by: Peter Phillips at August 23, 2003 11:58 AM


godless, the jewish + republican connection isn't something that's very controversial, it is well known. people forget that the Left = Democrat & Right = Republican identity wasn't strong until after the 1960s and began mostly with FDR (who ran as a democrat because T.R.'s sons were republicans and he wanted to stand out and not be another republican roosevelt). j.p. morgan was a democrat, i believe carnegie was a republican, but it didn't matter, both parties were far less ideological during the guilded age and at the turn of the century. so just because jews were republican doesn't mean they were "right wing," rather, they were probably (the german jews especially) expressing an aversion to the machine & ethnic politics dominated by the irish & white catholics that drove the democratic party... (after the civil war, thaddeus stevens et. al. were called the "radical republicans," the democratic party was the camp of the ancien regime and nostolagia for the ante-bellum south remember).

Posted by: razib at August 23, 2003 03:03 PM


well, ok, i'm going to be bitch-slapped for this, but in austria in 1940 it is a lot more understandeable that you are a nazi party member (something like 1/3 of austrians were). the one former german nazi party member i've met (grandmother of a half-japanese friend of mine who married a jewess) was a normal person who dealt with her past through a shit-load of denial. gibson's father hangs out with geocentricists who think that all knowledge can be found in the doctrines of the catholic church circa 1300 and denies that the holocaust ever happened. that's kind of nuttier than being a german nazi in 1940 (or austrian one).

Posted by: razib at August 23, 2003 03:06 PM


gibson is a creationist who tends to waffle when his father's holocaust denying and New World Order views are brought up. he might not agree with him and just doesn't want to diss dad-i don't know, but he is conservative. the other actors, like other hollywood conservatives, are libertarians (like kurt russell, "hollywood conservative," who has an open marriage).

Posted by: razib at August 23, 2003 04:31 PM


"I think Peter's point is that a right-wing father does not mean that the son is also right-wing."

Yeah. It can run both ways. Sometimes, children take the opposite view as a *reaction* or an act of rebelliousness against their family - otherwise the 60s couldnt have happened. That said, the opposite is also true, especially with most American Jews and Blacks (for instance).

Speaking personally, we've been solid Tories for a while - not much change here.......

Posted by: Peter Phillips at August 24, 2003 12:17 PM