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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[razib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2003 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;but jay, then you would assume that south africa would have the epidemic more in control than say mozambique.  but such is not the case.  though i&#039;m sure what you say has something to it-the difference between the xhosa and zulu in terms of infection rates, with the former circumcised and the latter un-circumcised, hint to me that sexually behavior is the main determinent.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but jay, then you would assume that south africa would have the epidemic more in control than say mozambique.  but such is not the case.  though i&#8217;m sure what you say has something to it-the difference between the xhosa and zulu in terms of infection rates, with the former circumcised and the latter un-circumcised, hint to me that sexually behavior is the main determinent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Manifold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2003 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Selection pressures in Africa may involve not only sexual behavior but ability to create and maintain functioning institutions, in the form of public supplies of drinking water adequate to control helminthic (parasitic worm) infections.  Until this infrastructure is in place, handing out symptom-treating drugs may well produce counterintuitive and unpleasant effects.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selection pressures in Africa may involve not only sexual behavior but ability to create and maintain functioning institutions, in the form of public supplies of drinking water adequate to control helminthic (parasitic worm) infections.  Until this infrastructure is in place, handing out symptom-treating drugs may well produce counterintuitive and unpleasant effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t hold your breath.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Malloy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Malloy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;&quot;What kind of idiot doesn&#039;t know &#039;dry sex&#039; means rape?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know exactly what kind of idiot:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At any point would you like to stop being a hysterical, snarky troll, and start engaging us like a dignified human being?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What kind of idiot doesn&#8217;t know &#8216;dry sex&#8217; means rape?&#8221;</p>
<p>I know exactly what kind of idiot:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/</a></p>
<p>At any point would you like to stop being a hysterical, snarky troll, and start engaging us like a dignified human being?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Malloy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Malloy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;&#039;Race realists&#039; conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to the entire scientific community.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But is this true?:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://gnxp.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_gnxp_archive.html#85401698&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Smith College professor Stanley Rothman and Harvard researcher Mark Snyderman surveyed a sample of mostly scientific experts in the field of educational psychology in the late 1980s and found that 53 percent believed IQ differences between whites and African Americans were at least partly genetic in origin, while only 17 percent attributed the IQ differences to environmental factors alone (the remainder either believed the data was currently insufficient to decide the issue or refused to answer the question).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, if you want to dismiss the very concept of race, Litt (which you obviously do, evidenced by your frequent use of &quot;scare quotes&quot;), you couldn&#039;t have picked a worse time:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/24/science/24RACE.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(That would be from the &lt;i&gt;science&lt;/i&gt; section, not the &lt;i&gt;opinion&lt;/i&gt; one.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I guess the journals Science, and American Psychologist and the NYT are just racist and can be ignored as racist b/c they said something that was racist. Only people that are full of hatred (esp. towards blacks) would ever say that there might be some degree of genetic differences between human populations:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.black-collegian.com/extracurricular/health/overweight800.shtml&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also you ignored the more important part of my statement:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The evidence against him is voluminous and powerful.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the end, it&#039;s the facts, and nothing else, that
are important.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8216;Race realists&#8217; conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to the entire scientific community.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>But is this true?:</p>
<p><a href="http://gnxp.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_gnxp_archive.html#85401698" rel="nofollow">http://gnxp.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_gnxp_archive.html#85401698</a></p>
<p><i>Smith College professor Stanley Rothman and Harvard researcher Mark Snyderman surveyed a sample of mostly scientific experts in the field of educational psychology in the late 1980s and found that 53 percent believed IQ differences between whites and African Americans were at least partly genetic in origin, while only 17 percent attributed the IQ differences to environmental factors alone (the remainder either believed the data was currently insufficient to decide the issue or refused to answer the question).</i></p>
<p>Of course, if you want to dismiss the very concept of race, Litt (which you obviously do, evidenced by your frequent use of &#8220;scare quotes&#8221;), you couldn&#8217;t have picked a worse time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/24/science/24RACE.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/24/science/24RACE.html</a></p>
<p>(That would be from the <i>science</i> section, not the <i>opinion</i> one.)</p>
<p>But I guess the journals Science, and American Psychologist and the NYT are just racist and can be ignored as racist b/c they said something that was racist. Only people that are full of hatred (esp. towards blacks) would ever say that there might be some degree of genetic differences between human populations:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.black-collegian.com/extracurricular/health/overweight800.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.black-collegian.com/extracurricular/health/overweight800.shtml</a></p>
<p>Also you ignored the more important part of my statement:</p>
<p><i>The evidence against him is voluminous and powerful.</i></p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s the facts, and nothing else, that<br />
are important.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;What kind of  idiot doesn&#039;t know &#039;dry sex&#039; means rape?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, there is a good sentence to paraphase on this thread:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;&#039;Race realists&#039; conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to the entire scientific community.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of  idiot doesn&#8217;t know &#8216;dry sex&#8217; means rape?</p>
<p>However, there is a good sentence to paraphase on this thread:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Race realists&#8217; conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to the entire scientific community.&#8221;</p>
<p>
Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Just an observation:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People who can&#039;t tell you how or why HIV causes AIDS probably shouldn&#039;t be delivering any authoritative proclamations about HIV or AIDS. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just to be cynical:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder how many of the 5000 signees of the Durban Declaration have never made a penny off the current HIV/AIDS paradigm. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nobel Prize Winners, eh?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Read more here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cfberlin.htm&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation:</p>
<p>People who can&#8217;t tell you how or why HIV causes AIDS probably shouldn&#8217;t be delivering any authoritative proclamations about HIV or AIDS. </p>
<p>Just to be cynical:</p>
<p>I wonder how many of the 5000 signees of the Durban Declaration have never made a penny off the current HIV/AIDS paradigm. </p>
<p>Nobel Prize Winners, eh?</p>
<p>&#8220;If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document.&#8221; </p>
<p>Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry. </p>
<p>Read more here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cfberlin.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cfberlin.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: -j</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[-j]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Duesberg&#039;s conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to, the entire scientific community:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.aegis.com/pubs/atn/2000/ATN34603.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The evidence against him is voluminous and powerful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duesberg&#8217;s conclusions, like Creationism, have been rejected by, what amounts to, the entire scientific community:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aegis.com/pubs/atn/2000/ATN34603.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aegis.com/pubs/atn/2000/ATN34603.html</a></p>
<p>The evidence against him is voluminous and powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;I view the African HIV/AIDS statistics with some trepidation. As I understand it many of these countries aren&#039;t wealthy enough to afford the testing facilities that we take for granted in the west and use a symptom diagnosis for AIDS. As you know AIDS is not a disease but a syndrome of 25 or so previously existing diseases/conditions. So the quandry is this, if I have pnuemonia in Africa, is it AIDS or just plain ol&#039; pnuemonia? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is also a profit motive at play there. If an African doctor reports that he&#039;s going to have 500 hundred cases of malaria this year absolutely nothing happens. But if he says I&#039;m going to have 500 cases of AIDS he has a good chance of hitting the UN/US jackpot in grants and aid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d also recommend you all check out the work of Dr. Peter Duesberg, an HIV/AIDS dissident.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.duesberg.com/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view the African HIV/AIDS statistics with some trepidation. As I understand it many of these countries aren&#8217;t wealthy enough to afford the testing facilities that we take for granted in the west and use a symptom diagnosis for AIDS. As you know AIDS is not a disease but a syndrome of 25 or so previously existing diseases/conditions. So the quandry is this, if I have pnuemonia in Africa, is it AIDS or just plain ol&#8217; pnuemonia? </p>
<p>There is also a profit motive at play there. If an African doctor reports that he&#8217;s going to have 500 hundred cases of malaria this year absolutely nothing happens. But if he says I&#8217;m going to have 500 cases of AIDS he has a good chance of hitting the UN/US jackpot in grants and aid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also recommend you all check out the work of Dr. Peter Duesberg, an HIV/AIDS dissident.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.duesberg.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.duesberg.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: duende</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duende]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;First of all Steve Sailer is a quite a decent chap, and what could you possibly derive from his above statement that would make you think otherwise?  You clearly don&#039;t think much of this forum or anyone here. When you say that Razib&#039;s wrong when he states that the average black IQ is 85, where is your contradictory data?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Steve Sailer is a quite a decent chap, and what could you possibly derive from his above statement that would make you think otherwise?  You clearly don&#8217;t think much of this forum or anyone here. When you say that Razib&#8217;s wrong when he states that the average black IQ is 85, where is your contradictory data?</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;What did Sailer say about rape? Please quote, or admit your statement is a lie&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Truth Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth Teller]]></dc:creator>
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	&lt;p&gt;Yawn.  More racist mumbings with no basis in fact.  To declare rape as the major sexual behavior of Southern African men is shameless for even someone as lacking in moral probity as Steve Sailer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for Diana, why in the world does she think Razib (who says inane things like 85 is the norm for black people&#039;s  IQs)  has a clue about sexual practices in Southern Africa or anything else?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Racism seems to attract very stupid people.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn.  More racist mumbings with no basis in fact.  To declare rape as the major sexual behavior of Southern African men is shameless for even someone as lacking in moral probity as Steve Sailer.</p>
<p>As for Diana, why in the world does she think Razib (who says inane things like 85 is the norm for black people&#8217;s  IQs)  has a clue about sexual practices in Southern Africa or anything else?  </p>
<p>Racism seems to attract very stupid people.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sailer]]></dc:creator>
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	&lt;p&gt;A big difference in the AIDS rates between Southern Africa and Western Africa is the practice of &quot;dry sex.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diana]]></dc:creator>
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	&lt;p&gt;&quot;It is clear that in much of the world women serve as a restraint on male sexual recklessness (as best as they can), but in southern Africa (and other regions as well), the traditional expectation of multiple simultaneous sexual partners for men undermines this..&quot;  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hm.  I wonder why.  I never thought of this before, but I had always thought that the hardwired contract between men and women would serve as the &quot;restraining order&quot; on male recklessness.  It&#039;s not so.  I wonder why.  I can&#039;t come up with anything.  Razib?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is clear that in much of the world women serve as a restraint on male sexual recklessness (as best as they can), but in southern Africa (and other regions as well), the traditional expectation of multiple simultaneous sexual partners for men undermines this..&#8221;  </p>
<p>Hm.  I wonder why.  I never thought of this before, but I had always thought that the hardwired contract between men and women would serve as the &#8220;restraining order&#8221; on male recklessness.  It&#8217;s not so.  I wonder why.  I can&#8217;t come up with anything.  Razib?</p>
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