Australia – antipodean bizzaro world

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The following finding cited in this article speaks for itself and suggests that the generalisation that ‘Jews vote left’ (expanded into something sinister by the likes of Kevin Macdonald) does not necessarily hold true in countries other than the US, even those with roughly the same cultural foundations,

Evidence suggests that most Australian Jews follow their socioeconomic interests and vote conservative. A 1991 survey of the Melbourne Jewish community conducted by John Goldlust found that 24.5 per cent favoured the ALP and 63.5 per cent the Coalition. Equally, a 1995 survey of Jewish leaders in Australia, conducted by Professor Bernard Rechter for the Australian Institute of Jewish Affairs, found that 26 per cent would vote ALP and 64 per cent Liberal.

Even without the strong pro-Israel record of the Prime Minister, John Howard, Jewish support for the Coalition is unlikely to waver much. The same applies to the minority of Jews who vote ALP. Many of them are concerned about other issues, such as Aboriginal rights, support for asylum seekers, and defending Medicare. A minority of left-leaning Jews may even support the ALP taking a more critical position vis-a-vis Israel.

Exceptions, as always, prove the rule. The only parliamentary seat significantly affected by a Jewish vote is the inner city area of Melbourne Ports: according to demographics; an estimated 15-20 per cent of voters in Melbourne Ports are Jews.

Many swinging Jewish voters support the sitting Labor MP, Michael Danby, because he is Jewish and passionately pro-Israel. For this reason, they also are unlikely to change their vote simply because some other Labor MPs express contrary views. The appearance of a few perceived hostile backbenchers is likely to confirm, not undermine, their decision to support Danby.

*Note to US readers – in the bizzaro world of Australia, Liberal = conservative

21 Comments

  1. but the australian conservatives (the liberals, at least) tend to be more socially moderate and less religiously christian. i think the last is important. jews have always been active in the conservative movement in the united states (chodarov, frank meyer, ayn rand, etc.)-but especially as libertarians or neocons-two groups that have peculiar views and tend to de-emphasize the cultural/organic elements of conservatism and not place priority on religious/social issues.

  2. Yeah, you really showed Kevin MacDonald.

    Evidence suggests that most Australian Jews follow their socioeconomic interests and vote conservative. A 1991 survey of the Melbourne Jewish community conducted by John Goldlust found that 24.5 per cent favoured the ALP and 63.5 per cent the Coalition. Equally, a 1995 survey of Jewish leaders in Australia, conducted by Professor Bernard Rechter for the Australian Institute of Jewish Affairs, found that 26 per cent would vote ALP and 64 per cent Liberal.

    Even without the strong pro-Israel record of the Prime Minister, John Howard, Jewish support for the Coalition is unlikely to waver much. The same applies to the minority of Jews who vote ALP. Many of them are concerned about other issues, such as Aboriginal rights, support for asylum seekers, and defending Medicare. A minority of left-leaning Jews may even support the ALP taking a more critical position vis-a-vis Israel.

    Exceptions, as always, prove the rule. The only parliamentary seat significantly affected by a Jewish vote is the inner city area of Melbourne Ports: according to demographics; an estimated 15-20 per cent of voters in Melbourne Ports are Jews.

    Many swinging Jewish voters support the sitting Labor MP, Michael Danby, because he is Jewish and passionately pro-Israel. For this reason, they also are unlikely to change their vote simply because some other Labor MPs express contrary views. The appearance of a few perceived hostile backbenchers is likely to confirm, not undermine, their decision to support Danby.

    Tangentially, may I ask if you’ve ever actually read anything by MacDonald?

  3. Mr Obvious
    Do Jews who vote Democrat in the US vote in their ‘socioeconomic interest’?
    Also note:
    “The same applies to the ***minority*** of Jews who vote ALP… them are concerned about other issues, such as Aboriginal rights, support for asylum seekers, and defending Medicare. “

    why do you highlight ‘minority’ in the 2nd sentence but not the first?

  4. Also note the point of the article is that Jews who vote Left in Australia do so mostly because of Israel. Do Jews in the US really vote Democrat and *against their socioeconomic interests* only because of Israel? The point is that even those who vote Left do so for different reasons in the 2 countries.

  5. another question for Mr Obvious : just what the hell do you expect the *minority* of Jews, much less Armenians, Greeks, Germans, Chinese, etc in Australia who vote left to be concerned about if not ‘asylum seekers and aboriginal rights and medicare’? I mean what the hell do you expect from anyone who votes Left, jew or gentile?

  6. dude, dittos with jason.

  7. The libertarian/socialist thing isn’t really the WN beef. In the White Nationalist model only a homogeneous society is good. Jews undermine that inflexible vision by way of their very existence (as a heterogeneous element). So there’s no real winning this argument; as long as (most) jewish individuals think they have a right to exist or believe that they have claim to any sort of civil-rights (however these needs are politically expressed), WNs will always have their (rather meaningless) “gotcha”.

  8. Just in case, I sounded too conciliatory, I don’t think WN is all (or even primarily) about some rationally calculated “model” either. Of course there’s all the usual elements of paranoia, jealousy, fear, blind anger, confusion, and court mythology.

  9. The libertarian/socialist thing isn’t really the WN beef. In the White Nationalist model only a homogeneous society is good. Jews undermine that inflexible vision by way of their very existence (as a heterogeneous element). So there’s no real winning this argument; as long as (most) jewish individuals think they have a right to exist or believe that they have claim to any sort of civil-rights (however these needs are politically expressed), WNs will always have their (rather meaningless) “gotcha”.
    Dude, you are so right I can’t even find the right words to express how much I agree with you. There is something pathological about their strange obsession with Jews.

  10. “Of course there’s all the usual elements of paranoia, jealousy, fear, blind anger, confusion, and court mythology.”

    All those undesirables from which deracinated immigrant scientists are happily immune ;-)

  11. “… In the White Nationalist model only a homogeneous society is good. Jews undermine that inflexible vision by way of their very existence (as a heterogeneous element). .”

    Actually it isn’t their heterogenity that WNs object to most about Jews, it’s the tribal sponsorship of socially-corrosive tendencies like third-world colonisation that really gets up the collective WN nose.

    (I’m making a wild assumption that posters here are intelligent enough to be able to distinguish WNs from common-or-garden “Nazis”)

    If Jews would refrain from sticking in their oar into host nation affairs and kept at the rag-picking they would probably go unnoticed.

  12. The only thing unique here is the competence/intelligence of those involved.
    I suspect that’s the thing that bugs these guys the most about Jews – being beaten at the very game they wish to play.

  13. i ask, and i ask, are jews bobos because they are intelligent? or are jews bobos because they are jews? control for IQ and show me some personality traits that are sharply divergent in jews & gentiles and i’m all ears…until then-as jason malloy would say, where is the jew contagion in scandinavia? oh yes, we forget the jewish internationale, with its broad tenticles….

  14. “..where is the jew contagion in scandinavia?..”

    There isn’t any to speak of, but what’s the point?.

    “..There are two objective truths here: Ashkenazi Jews are smart and American Jews are disproportionately left-wing. Jason’s data is very interesting as it provides a counterexample to the latter point. AFAIK Jews in Britain are also disproportionately left-wing, but I’m open to correction. “

    This so-called ‘left-wing right-wing’ debate is the ultimate banality, invented by the political establishments to provide a pretence of brand differentiation. In no Western country including the US, UK, or Australia is there any meaningful difference between the social policies of the major parties. They think EXACTLY alike on all of the themes that godlesscapitalist enumerated. In most countries the official party line (not lines since only one line is permitted) on matters such as gay marriage and immigration is wildly discordant from that of the general public, and it is this disconnect that is giving rise to the growth the nationalist right, not judeo-phobia as many of the liberal barmy army prefer to believe.

    Whether Jews take a left- or right-wing position in any political structure is next to irrelevant. The important thing is their key role in financing the party machinery and, in many instances, guiding the public discourse.

  15. “..where is the jew contagion in scandinavia?..”

    There isn’t any to speak of, but what’s the point?.

    1 out of 4 people in sweden are of non-swedish ancestry in the past few generations. this was done without the presence of jews….

  16. I would suggest that Jews’ advocacy of liberal immigration policies stem from essentially one thing: the Holocaust when more Jews could have been saved if immigration policies were more liberal. So the Jews are guilty not of sinister intentions but of applying the Golden Rule to peoples other than themselves – they look at your typical Middle eastern refugee and see the situation of their grandparents replicated.

  17. People don’t apply the Golden Rule, they do what is in their self-interest.

  18. Jon
    I know plenty of Jews like my boss who were outraged by the Australian government’s treatment of Afghan refugees. My boss also happens to be strongly right wing economically, an atheist and pro-Israel. So tell me what do wealthy Jewish atheists have in common with Afghan Muslim refugees and how it would be in the self interest of the former to help the latter, if not for some sympathetic identification they feel – that ‘they did the same thing to my relatives, never again’

  19. I think that both race and Christianity are more powerful in the U.S., drawing the political lines (esp. since 1968) in a way that overrides economics. For example, I would guess that at least 30% of African-Americans are either middle-class, or conservative Christians, or both. They’re natural Republicans, but they’re still afraid of the CCC branch of the Republican party, and Bush only got 8% of the black vote. Much the same is true of Jews, most of whom are prosperous, and many quite conservative on sex and drugs.

    Immigration patterns may also have something to do with it. A high proportion of XIX C. immigrants from Russian and Germany, regardless of ethnicity, were fairly far left.

  20. The immigration restriction movement of the 1920s was specifically aimed at jews –

    Officially, the desire was to keep out “anarchists”, “bolsheviks”, “radicals”, etc

    These however, were well-understood as code-words for “jews” – Americans (and Western europeans) simply did not want Jewish immigrants, and were determined to keep them out

    That Jews are so hostile towards Restrictionism is understandable, given the history – and consequences – of this ideology

  21. Jason,
    MacDonald outlined the self-interested reasons a Jewish person would be pro-refugee or pro-immigrant. “Sympathetic identification” is not a strong driver of human actions. People and groups act in their own interest, that is human nature.

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