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		<title>By: akshay</title>
		<link>http://www.gnxp.com/new/2003/10/30/a-new-ethnic-classification/#comment-34247</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;For all their contributions to science and political philosophy, the british remain a race of pirates. I think they deserve their racial problems. As the white brits become an increasingly smaller percentage of the population we will be in for some interesting news. I think around 2100 the white brits turn into a minority. The era of the white man is coming to an end.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their contributions to science and political philosophy, the british remain a race of pirates. I think they deserve their racial problems. As the white brits become an increasingly smaller percentage of the population we will be in for some interesting news. I think around 2100 the white brits turn into a minority. The era of the white man is coming to an end.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Rotten</title>
		<link>http://www.gnxp.com/new/2003/10/30/a-new-ethnic-classification/#comment-34246</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t know about that. Britain still has a military and a relatively free market.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Agreed but consider the fact that they have the only &quot;all-encompassing&quot; public health system in the world (while the Cdn. system does not pay for dental or vision, among other things). Also consider that up until a few years ago, higher education (university/college) in England was practically free for the vast majority of people - I don&#039;t know the details, but something about *everyone* getting a &quot;grant&quot; which basically amounted to free money. Meanwhile Canadian students have to get a loan from a private bank if they can&#039;t pay tuition (for the public universities) themselves; tuition fees which are already higher than public schools in North Carolina or California.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How about the ridiculously high tax rates in the UK for basic things like gas (petrol)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The &quot;dole&quot;, as they call it in the UK, seems to be remarkably easy to &#039;extort&#039; money out of, thus allowing someone to live semi-comfortably without a job. And the whole &quot;council housing&quot; thing is just hilarious; the poor in Canada for the most part have to struggle to make ends meet living in crappy - but privately owned - apartment buildings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyways, I&#039;m sure the resident Britons here will be quick to denounce what I&#039;ve said in case I&#039;m wrong...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know about that. Britain still has a military and a relatively free market.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed but consider the fact that they have the only &#8220;all-encompassing&#8221; public health system in the world (while the Cdn. system does not pay for dental or vision, among other things). Also consider that up until a few years ago, higher education (university/college) in England was practically free for the vast majority of people &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the details, but something about *everyone* getting a &#8220;grant&#8221; which basically amounted to free money. Meanwhile Canadian students have to get a loan from a private bank if they can&#8217;t pay tuition (for the public universities) themselves; tuition fees which are already higher than public schools in North Carolina or California.</p>
<p>How about the ridiculously high tax rates in the UK for basic things like gas (petrol)?</p>
<p>The &#8220;dole&#8221;, as they call it in the UK, seems to be remarkably easy to &#8216;extort&#8217; money out of, thus allowing someone to live semi-comfortably without a job. And the whole &#8220;council housing&#8221; thing is just hilarious; the poor in Canada for the most part have to struggle to make ends meet living in crappy &#8211; but privately owned &#8211; apartment buildings.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;m sure the resident Britons here will be quick to denounce what I&#8217;ve said in case I&#8217;m wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
		<link>http://www.gnxp.com/new/2003/10/30/a-new-ethnic-classification/#comment-34245</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Joseph:  there aren&#039;t many Jews in Bradford!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am sure they would count as &#039;honorary Porkies&#039;.  You know the old joke about the Jewish boy in Belfast.  A gang of other boys stop him and ask &#039;Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?  He replies:  &#039;I&#039;m a Jew.&#039;  &#039;Yes, but are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?&#039;  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:  there aren&#8217;t many Jews in Bradford!</p>
<p>I am sure they would count as &#8216;honorary Porkies&#8217;.  You know the old joke about the Jewish boy in Belfast.  A gang of other boys stop him and ask &#8216;Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?  He replies:  &#8216;I&#8217;m a Jew.&#8217;  &#8216;Yes, but are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?&#8217;  </p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Rotten</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;My brain is mush, so all I can say is that blacks appear to be WAAAY over-represented on British TV. When i was England I think I saw more blacks on TV there than I did walking around London or Luton. (only in Buxton did I see a number of blacks on the street which roughly corresponded to TV).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Canada, TV-land is the exclusive territory of the whites AFAICT.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hate it when NRO-style Republicans like to bash &quot;Red Canada&quot; when it&#039;s clear as glass that Britain is a far more left-leaning country. (completely unrelated gripe, sorry)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brain is mush, so all I can say is that blacks appear to be WAAAY over-represented on British TV. When i was England I think I saw more blacks on TV there than I did walking around London or Luton. (only in Buxton did I see a number of blacks on the street which roughly corresponded to TV).</p>
<p>In Canada, TV-land is the exclusive territory of the whites AFAICT.</p>
<p>I hate it when NRO-style Republicans like to bash &#8220;Red Canada&#8221; when it&#8217;s clear as glass that Britain is a far more left-leaning country. (completely unrelated gripe, sorry)</p>
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		<title>By: Sen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Could it be that (the most visible of) visible minorities in Britain are preodminantly Muslim, or that in Australia the minorities are Chinese/Vietnamese? Whereas in Canada (and in particular Toronto) you have a whole smargasboard of immigrants from all over the world - Italians, Greeks, Serbians, Jamaicans, Native Americans, Chinese, Koreans, Iranians, Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans etc... In America immigrants=Hispanics, in France the North Africans, in Germany the Turks, in Australia the Vietnamese etc... in Canada they&#039;re from all over the place (black, brown, white, yellow...). Therefore you can&#039;t single out a single particular minority group as being particularly problematic (as in the UK) since they don&#039;t stand out as much, because&#039;s there such amazing diversity here and no one minority is singularly &quot;dominant&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, is there a reason why the fairly large Muslim community in Canada have been (by and large) fairly dormant, while in the UK they&#039;ve been quite active? If the Muslims here wanted to turn Toronto into a &quot;Londonistan&quot;, I&#039;m sure they&#039;d get catch major beef from the Chinese and Jamaicans and other minority groups (neglecting self-hating reticent Anglos). :-P Can&#039;t ever see that happening here...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that (the most visible of) visible minorities in Britain are preodminantly Muslim, or that in Australia the minorities are Chinese/Vietnamese? Whereas in Canada (and in particular Toronto) you have a whole smargasboard of immigrants from all over the world &#8211; Italians, Greeks, Serbians, Jamaicans, Native Americans, Chinese, Koreans, Iranians, Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans etc&#8230; In America immigrants=Hispanics, in France the North Africans, in Germany the Turks, in Australia the Vietnamese etc&#8230; in Canada they&#8217;re from all over the place (black, brown, white, yellow&#8230;). Therefore you can&#8217;t single out a single particular minority group as being particularly problematic (as in the UK) since they don&#8217;t stand out as much, because&#8217;s there such amazing diversity here and no one minority is singularly &#8220;dominant&#8221;?</p>
<p>Also, is there a reason why the fairly large Muslim community in Canada have been (by and large) fairly dormant, while in the UK they&#8217;ve been quite active? If the Muslims here wanted to turn Toronto into a &#8220;Londonistan&#8221;, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d get catch major beef from the Chinese and Jamaicans and other minority groups (neglecting self-hating reticent Anglos). :-P Can&#8217;t ever see that happening here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hertzlinger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Do Jews count as Porkies?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Ikram Saeed</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t there planty of alarmism about the Asian invasion in Australia? Pauline Hanseon&#039;s not a political force anymore, but the current PM seems to have co-opted her main issues.  Of the Anglosphere countries, I would say Australia is the most racist (more than the US?).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Canada is about 11% non-white (with Ontario being about 20% non-white).  There is very little concern about it, probably becuase the longstanding French fact entrenched pluralism here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Britain, the Muslim pop is about 2.7%, not too far from Canada&#039;s muslim population (approx 2%).  But the majority of British Indian Muslims (1 million of them) live outside London.  In Canada, non-whites live almost exclusively in large cities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One explanation for the in UK is that minorities  live outside London and are so  visible in the declining industrial areas.  Imagine if the outports of Newfoundland were 2% South Asian.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d note that the most recent wave of immigrants I&#039;ve seen the London are Eastern european.  Perhaps channel four should focus on the slav menace?  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there planty of alarmism about the Asian invasion in Australia? Pauline Hanseon&#8217;s not a political force anymore, but the current PM seems to have co-opted her main issues.  Of the Anglosphere countries, I would say Australia is the most racist (more than the US?).</p>
<p>Canada is about 11% non-white (with Ontario being about 20% non-white).  There is very little concern about it, probably becuase the longstanding French fact entrenched pluralism here.</p>
<p>In Britain, the Muslim pop is about 2.7%, not too far from Canada&#8217;s muslim population (approx 2%).  But the majority of British Indian Muslims (1 million of them) live outside London.  In Canada, non-whites live almost exclusively in large cities.</p>
<p>One explanation for the in UK is that minorities  live outside London and are so  visible in the declining industrial areas.  Imagine if the outports of Newfoundland were 2% South Asian.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d note that the most recent wave of immigrants I&#8217;ve seen the London are Eastern european.  Perhaps channel four should focus on the slav menace?  </p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Ikram and Zachary:  I did watch the programme.  I thought it was OK, but I was uneasy about the intrusive questioning of children who were clearly too young to give informed consent.  I didn&#039;t think Pakistanis were &#039;demonised&#039;.  After all, the whole point of the programme was to present the point of view of a white family living in an Asian area.  There are umpteen programmes presenting the black or Asian point of view, so why not one from the other &#039;side&#039;?  And in fact the white family - even the boys - were not especially hostile. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ikram and Zachary:  I did watch the programme.  I thought it was OK, but I was uneasy about the intrusive questioning of children who were clearly too young to give informed consent.  I didn&#8217;t think Pakistanis were &#8216;demonised&#8217;.  After all, the whole point of the programme was to present the point of view of a white family living in an Asian area.  There are umpteen programmes presenting the black or Asian point of view, so why not one from the other &#8216;side&#8217;?  And in fact the white family &#8211; even the boys &#8211; were not especially hostile. </p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Sen:  I am not sure where you live, but you make comparisons between immigration in Britain and Australia  - one of the points being that you don&#039;t read &#039;shit like this&#039; in the newspapers about immigrants in Australia - &#039;shit like this&#039; being a story about alleged gang rape by Asians in Britain.  So I can only assume that you think this doesn&#039;t happen in Australia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Au contraire: Google on &#039;Australia&#039; and &#039;gang rape&#039; and you will get a nasty surprise! This recent case was actually quite widely reported in the international media.  Certainly it was in the British newspapers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You must also remember that, to a first approximation, good news is no news.  You cannot judge any country merely by what is reported in the press.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen:  I am not sure where you live, but you make comparisons between immigration in Britain and Australia  &#8211; one of the points being that you don&#8217;t read &#8216;shit like this&#8217; in the newspapers about immigrants in Australia &#8211; &#8216;shit like this&#8217; being a story about alleged gang rape by Asians in Britain.  So I can only assume that you think this doesn&#8217;t happen in Australia.</p>
<p>Au contraire: Google on &#8216;Australia&#8217; and &#8216;gang rape&#8217; and you will get a nasty surprise! This recent case was actually quite widely reported in the international media.  Certainly it was in the British newspapers.</p>
<p>You must also remember that, to a first approximation, good news is no news.  You cannot judge any country merely by what is reported in the press.  </p>
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		<title>By: Sen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Yes, but reading the news makes me really question whether multiculturalism &amp; immigration has benefited Britons in any way. I&#039;d contend that Canada and Australia would most likely be poorer, but would Britain be any poorer or more prosperous today without immigration over the past 50 years? ... It&#039;s highly suspect. If anything, immigration has caused more problems in British society.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, visible minorities constitute barely 6% of the British population, yet from such media reports one would think Britain is being swamped by coloured hordes. Yet Canada &amp; Australia have far higher proportion of visible minorities (close to 15%) but such alarmist reports are rare. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are these offshoot societies inherently more receptive/better at integrating its immigrants? Or has it more to do with the quality of the immigrants themselves?(ie. More Chinese/Koreans/Vietnamese/Hindus in Canada and Australia vs. high black &amp; Muslim population in Britain...) I don&#039;t read about race riots or about Porkies or shit like  this in the papers. Yet by far most race-related articles relating to Britain are negative, whereas here you read articles about affluent Hong Kong-ers constructing monster homes and University admissions spots being swallowed by an Asian Invasion (fairly harmless in comparison, really).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what&#039;s wrong with that jam-packed little island in the North Atlantic? And how has multiculturalism &amp; immigration benefited the host population?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but reading the news makes me really question whether multiculturalism &#038; immigration has benefited Britons in any way. I&#8217;d contend that Canada and Australia would most likely be poorer, but would Britain be any poorer or more prosperous today without immigration over the past 50 years? &#8230; It&#8217;s highly suspect. If anything, immigration has caused more problems in British society.</p>
<p>Also, visible minorities constitute barely 6% of the British population, yet from such media reports one would think Britain is being swamped by coloured hordes. Yet Canada &#038; Australia have far higher proportion of visible minorities (close to 15%) but such alarmist reports are rare. </p>
<p>Are these offshoot societies inherently more receptive/better at integrating its immigrants? Or has it more to do with the quality of the immigrants themselves?(ie. More Chinese/Koreans/Vietnamese/Hindus in Canada and Australia vs. high black &#038; Muslim population in Britain&#8230;) I don&#8217;t read about race riots or about Porkies or shit like  this in the papers. Yet by far most race-related articles relating to Britain are negative, whereas here you read articles about affluent Hong Kong-ers constructing monster homes and University admissions spots being swallowed by an Asian Invasion (fairly harmless in comparison, really).</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s wrong with that jam-packed little island in the North Atlantic? And how has multiculturalism &#038; immigration benefited the host population?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Latif</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;Wrote a very long comment, which became more of a post so I decided to contribute to my weblog. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyways my final conclusion is that the Pakistani community was excessively demonised in the programme and great lengths were taken to portray it as the brown &quot;other&quot;, steeped in mysterious rituals and speaking in incomprehensible tongues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though I was chuckling when the lil white girl was fluently repeated swear words in Punjabi.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrote a very long comment, which became more of a post so I decided to contribute to my weblog. </p>
<p>Anyways my final conclusion is that the Pakistani community was excessively demonised in the programme and great lengths were taken to portray it as the brown &#8220;other&#8221;, steeped in mysterious rituals and speaking in incomprehensible tongues.</p>
<p>Though I was chuckling when the lil white girl was fluently repeated swear words in Punjabi.</p>
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		<title>By: Sen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;And I still don&#039;t understand how a once ethnically homogenous European nation as Britain with thousands of years of history willingly adopted   multiculturalism as an ideology. I can understand this in the US, Canada or Australia or New Zealand... but Britain?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I still don&#8217;t understand how a once ethnically homogenous European nation as Britain with thousands of years of history willingly adopted   multiculturalism as an ideology. I can understand this in the US, Canada or Australia or New Zealand&#8230; but Britain?</p>
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		<title>By: Sen</title>
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	&lt;p&gt;Lest we forget, such distinctions would not have been necessary a generation ago.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Therein lies the tragedy of Britain. They created this mess.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest we forget, such distinctions would not have been necessary a generation ago.</p>
<p>Therein lies the tragedy of Britain. They created this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ikram Saeed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	&lt;p&gt;If you ddid, in the end, watch the show, I&lt;/p&gt;
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