High Level Diplomacy That We’ll Never See

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Kate over at Outside the Beltway has a unique analysis for solving Canada’s problems with handguns. She notes the futility of Prime Minister Martin asking Secretary Rice to have the Americans do something about gun smuggling. She notes that the Prime Minister’s office is preparing a series of gun-control initiatives but that it is unlikely that a meeting with the Jamaican Prime Minister about restricting the supply a trigger pullers will be unveiled:

No less than 47 of the Jamaican-linked gang were arrested and more than 1,325 charges were laid.

The gang was the longtime rival of the Crips, another organized-crime street gang with Jamaican background.

So, what happens the day after the police and local politicians congratulate themselves for a successful investigation and massive raids?

Why, on Friday — the very next day — there were five shootings, with three of them fatal.

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So, what do we do in such a discouraging situation?

Well, you just can’t keep sitting back and coming up with excuses. Such as Ontario Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty’s chant about “American guns on Canadian streets,” with the full backing of NDP socialist David Miller — known to many as Mayor Useless. And there’s Toronto rookie police Chief Bill Blair claiming that half the weapons used here by criminals are smuggled from the U.S.

However, on Thursday, U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins knocked those claims by noting that most of the guns coming from the U.S. are actually bought there by Canadians and smuggled back here. In other words, where are Canadian customs and other border-watching authorities?

The truth is that Canada continues to suffer from a longstanding policy of federal Liberal governments going back to 1965. That’s when the Pearson-Trudeau government loosened the Immigration Act to make it much easier for previously unqualified foreigners to enter the country and stay on as new citizens. The criminal elements came right along with them. And the Liberals got most of their votes.

The Liberals also weakened the criminal justice system. They got rid of capital punishment, provided early parole, built prisons that are more like country homes and introduced a Young Offenders Act that made youth crime a sick joke.

Former Toronto police chief Julian Fantino pushed for a mandatory 10-year sentence for anyone using a gun to commit a crime. But he ended up being pushed out by Mayor Miller, who prefers the soft, social-worker approach in handling criminals.


  1. Yay! More Canadian content! 
    It’s mostly crap, of course. First, gun crime is a fake issue — only about a one third of murders involve guns, versus about two-thirds in the US. Second, crime rates in Toronto are down, murder rates are unchanged (about 90 a year) for years, and Toronto’s per capita rate is below the Canadian average — Regina and Winnipeg and Canada’s murder capitals. See here
    As for immigration — the Canadian right-wing is reliably innumerate. Immigrants and children of immigrants (including Carribean immigrants) are as good or better educated than third generation Canadians. Children of immigrants are less likely to be on on welfare or unemployment insurance. Data here 

  2. (…continued) 
    And youth crime? It’s down significantly from its peak in the mid 70s, and down since the Young Offender’s Act was revamped a few years ago (See here
    The quote even gets simple dates wrong — the Canadian immigration Act was revamped to focus on skills, not race, in 1967, not 1965.(See here
    Is anything in the quote you cited true? Yes. Those well-educated immigrants do vote Liberal, as do their children. Capital punishment has been abolished. And quality of prison constrction has improved over the past few decades. 
    In any case, my new resolution is to compliment you for writing about Canada, Tangoman, even if the cranky old farts you quote get nearly every fact and detail wrong. So keep at it!

  3. So did the Crips and Bloods abandon their American base? How’d they get to be Jamaicans? I suppose the old codger’s using Jamaican as a synonym for black.  
    Since islanders and Af Ams really don’t get along, don’t intermarry, don’t live in the same neighborhoods or send their kids to the same schools if they can help it, equating them is a bit silly.

  4. No, the old codger is not using Jamaican as a synonym for black. You may be in the habit of doing so, however. Notice how easily the thought came to your mind. 
    And innumeracy certainly knows no political philosophy. Cranky old liberal politicos who run Canada get virtually every fact and detail wrong in every policy implemented. Still things keep on bumping along.

  5. “only about a one third of murders involve guns” 
    So far this year 44 of 64 murders in the city of Toronto (as opposed to the Metro Toronto) have been the result of gunfire. I’m certain stats Canada used Metro Toronto for their statistics, which would lower the rate. 

  6. No, the 1/3 figure is for Canada. That’s quite clear in the statcan link. They don’t provide historical figures for gun crime in Toronto for free, and I’m not inclined to pay the $3. 
    This study provides data to 2003 on gun and non-gun homocide in Toronto. Over the previous decade ro so, about half of all Toronto murders involved guns, and the gun-homocide rate stayed steady at around 1 per 100K. 
    Clearly, the numbers in 2005 will be higher (about 70%). But is it a blip or a trend? Too soon to say.

  7. “First, gun crime is a fake issue — only about a one third of murders involve guns, versus about two-thirds in the US. Second, crime rates in Toronto are down, murder rates are unchanged (about 90 a year) for years,” 
    There have been 64 murders in Toronto itself this year. The total number of homicides in Toronto for 2004 was 64 (http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/files/reports/2004statsreport.pdf ) so it looks like we’re in for a higher rate this year. I believe the link you provided gave 94 homicides in Toronto for 2004 ? that?s probably for the GTA and not Toronto itself.  
    According to http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051025-001/page.asp, 44 out the current 64 homicides in Toronto were by gunfire ? that?s almost 70% of the homicides so far this year (for Toronto). Taking the source as accurate, that?s much higher than the one third you quote (assuming that stat is for the city of Toronto).  
    I guess we’ll have to wait and see if the increases in homicides are part of a long term trend or an anomaly. 
    As for the Youth Crime/Crime in general…do they adjust for Boom, Bust, Echo effects?  
    UofT Economist David Foot wrote a book (Boom Bust Echo) in 1997 and I he indicates that as the Echo generation (Children of the Baby Boomers born between 1980-1995) will be entering their 20′s starting 2000, you would expect there to be a concomitant rise in violent crime. As teenage non-violent criminals move into their twenties, the nature of their crimes become more violent (pp. 190).  
    ?Immigrants and children of immigrants (including Carribean immigrants) are as good or better educated than third generation Canadians. Children of immigrants are less likely to be on welfare or unemployment insurance.? 
    The Fraser institute released a paper not to long ago that looked into the poor economic performance or recent immigrants and one of the reasons was people bypassing the Canadian governments screening process. Don?t know what data they have to back that up but the paper is here: 
    Honestly, I haven?t read the above paper or the paper that Ikram provided but they both look interesting.

  8. do mandatory minimums do anything to decrease crime as a deterrent (does harsher penalty on the high end lead to greater deterrence at all?) 
    i don’t know how they’re doing in gun crime but all taking away judicial discretion has done for the drug war is fill up prisons at alarming rates. meanwhile, the US coke market remains saturated. 
    am i allowed to just ask if mandatory minimums do anything and not go look it up? i’m tired and i have to go read science.

  9. Jamaicans seem to be supposed to be disproportionately represented among gun-gangsters in the UK too. 25 years ago I was told, by someone who seemed to know what he was talking about, that the immigrants from more peaceful Caribbean islands despaired when their teenage sons started comporting themselves as Jamaicans.

  10. I think Ikram is missing the point, the reason that the Canadian politicians are attacking the U.S. for gun smuggling is that gun deaths are up.