Trading races

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FX has a new show about two families switching races. Check out the before and after pictures though….


From black dad, to 70′s porn star?

From black mom, to Tisha Campbell?

From black kid, to Filipino?

From white dad to dark-skinned Egyptian?

From white mom to a 70′s muppet?

From a white kid to a Somali?

You can get pictures pictures at My Space. Here is a article about the show.

32 Comments

  1. The black father is the best “conversion,” the white father, the worst.

  2. One day gene technology will be so powerful that you’ll be able to take a pill and change race/skin color etc. to anything you like. 
     
    People will switch race to go to parties.  
     
    People will be walking down the street with blue skin, green skin, fur, scales, horns, 2 meter erections. Everything.  
    You name it – there will be a market for it.  
     
    On that day race will cease to be an issue in public life.

  3. dan, have you read black no more?

  4. No I’m afraid I haven’t read it.  
     
    But in a sense we already have this in cyberspace. 
    You can assume any persona you like. 
    Boys pretend to be girls, 
    girls pretend to be boys. 
    etc.etc.  
     
    Nothing and everything is as real as you want it to be. Or not.

  5. There was a similar programme in the UK a year or so ago. The problem was that it was easier to turn the ‘white’ participants plausibly ‘black’ than vice versa – it just required a bit of makeup and cotton wool in the mouth and nose. But turning the ‘black’ ones ‘white’ didn’t work when the ‘black’ participant had noticeably negroid features – the result just looked weird. Of course, the commentators tactfully ignored mentioning this!

  6. “The black father is the best “conversion,” the white father, the worst.” 
     
    I disagree. The Black mother is the worst conversion. Her facial features make it the most awkward.

  7. “‘The black father is the best “conversion,” the white father, the worst.’” 
     
    “I disagree. The Black mother is the worst conversion. Her facial features make it the most awkward.” 
     
    I’m probably biased a little because some years ago I knew a woman who looked like a younger version of the black mother’s “after” picture. She had the same combination of light coloration and black-appearing facial features. And the woman was white, Jewish I believe, and not biracial as far as anyone knew. 
    As for the white father, he looks Indian in the “after” picture, maybe a dark-skinned Arab as Razib suggested, but definitely not African-American.

  8. I think the Black son’s transformation is the most credible – though not to a White person, but Phillipino. Followed by the White daughter, who though her nose is a little narrow, could pass for Somalian. 
     
    The worst have to be the Black father, who just looks Puerto Rican to me – that is mixed race – followed by the White Mother, who doesn’t look natural at all.

  9. I think the white father looks the best. He looks like he could be Wanda Sykes older brother.

  10. They could all use one of those “race changing pills” that Dan mentioned. Agree the black mother’s transformation is by far the least credible. White father’s transformation almost as bad. 
     
    Going from white to black or black to white won’t always work. Going to mixed race or nondescript race like black son or white daughter sometimes works.

  11. Dan Dare says: 
     
     
    2 meter erections. 
     
     
    Ummm, did you even think about the muscles it would take to support such a thing?

  12. Well, I’ve been getting a lot of spam recently, so I figured there’s got to be a market for that sort of thing.  
     
    I’m sure it could only be a status symbol.

  13. ====”One day gene technology will be so powerful that you’ll be able to take a pill and change race/skin color etc. to anything you like. 
    People will switch race to go to parties. People will be walking down the street with blue skin, green skin, fur, scales, horns, 2 meter erections. Everything. You name it – there will be a market for it”===== 
     
    Dan, with your high IQ, i’m sure that you don’t honestly believe that such is physically possible. It’s sheer nonsense, really. What you’re speaking of, Dan, will always be fiction, & for obvious reasons. Organisms, especially large ones, aren’t as malleable as you’re supposing. You’re supposing that we(humans) are like bio-physical playdough. 
     
    So, i dont think there’ll be a possiblity, or a market, for such a world of freakism as you described.

  14. Not to mention the possibility of ruining human reproductive compatibility with that nonsense.

  15. I suppose it’s relevant to mention that most, if not all, of the blacks in this lineup are at least partly white already.

  16. “it was easier to turn the ‘white’ participants plausibly ‘black’ than vice versa – it just required a bit of makeup and cotton wool in the mouth and nose” 
     
    Anyone know what they’re using for this show?

  17. To me, the white to black conversions look like blacks with a fair amount of white ancestry. It’s not at all obvious why they don’t look South Asian assuming nothing has been done to change their facial features, although the father does look Egyptian or something.

  18. To me, the white to black conversions look like blacks with a fair amount of white ancestry. It’s not at all obvious why they don’t look South Asian assuming nothing has been done to change their facial features, although the father does look Egyptian or something. 
     
    is english not your first language? i’m confused as to what you are trying to say.

  19. well, that would kind of be dumb (finding people that are representative). you want to control for variables, if you are exploring the influence of race on american you won’t want them to deviate too much on other factors.

  20. “i’m confused as to what you are trying to say” 
     
    The subjective impression I get from viewing many South Asians is that the shape of their faces is essentially the same as that of most Europeans, although their skin tone is much darker, in some cases as dark as the average black. Obviously, that is not true of all South Asians especially those that clearly have a large degree of Mongoloid ancestry which is visible in their facial profiles. But nevertheless, I imagined that if whites were merely given make-up that darkened their skin tone, they would be similiar in appearance to South Asians. But that is not the subjective impression I get from these photographs with the possible exception of the white-to-black father. These whites that have been made to look black do in fact look at least partially black to me. That is why I asked if this show was using “cotton wool in the mouth and nose” to change not only the skin tone but also the facial profile. As far I know, the reason why early physical anthropologist classified non-European Caucasians and Europeans together into one large “Causasoid” group is because of similarities in cranial and facial features.

  21.  
    Which explains why the child in one family is a male in one case and female in the other? Why the family in one case is from the South and from the West in the other? 
     
     
    over half of black americans are middle class. what do you feel would be representative?

  22. mort, they gave them kinky hair and the big earrings are i think a cue that they are ‘black.’ racial perception is somewhat subjective. with my hair very short i can pass for african american from far away (albeit one that looks like they have european admixture).

  23. over half of black americans are middle class. what do you feel would be representative? 
     
    A single parent household would be a start.

  24. I’m surprised by how convincing the makeup jobs are. All the “after” shots at least look like someone. I mean, if I met any of them at a party, I wouldn’t be thinking, “No, sorry, I’m not buying it.” I’ve met real people who look like the black-mom-to-white-mom, the black-dad-to-white-dad, the white-mom-to-black-mom, etc. I think the white-dad-to-black-dad is the one I’d be most suspicious of, but then again he just looks like one more step along the Cosby, suburban-dad line. 
     
    It’s probably a blast for the actors to play these roles. I hope the show isn’t too PC, and lets them do some nutty stuff …

  25. Whoops, should have read the article first. This is reality TV, not anything conventionally scripted and acted.

  26. I mean, if I met any of them at a party, I wouldn’t be thinking, “No, sorry, I’m not buying it.” 
     
    Nora Vincent recently wrote the book “Self Made Man:One Woman’s Journey to Manhood and Back”. She was a little surprised to find that people usually take you at face value. But on second though, this makes sense, gender switching (or race swapping) is a little too out of the ordinary for most people to suspect at a first approximation.

  27. Here are some numbers on employment by racial or ethnic catagory.  
     
    The to capture representativeness, the best occupational selections for the parents would have been either “Slales, Opperations & Support” or “Skilled Blue Collar”. Whites are almost twice as likely than blacks to be employed in the “Computer, Scientific, & Engineering” field.

  28. Well now Rietzche, 
     
    The world is full of scientists who are convinced that something will never be possible. I am not so sure.  
     
    I know of cases in the animal kingdom where entire organs, limbs etc are created and/or re-absorbed. A combination of directed growth or apoptosis. Think of tadpoles, the larval stage of frogs. 
     
    I am presuming that genetic technology will be developed to edit genomes on the fly using viral and other even more synthetic vectors to spread “software” upgrades throughout living organisms. 
     
    As a last resort I am even willing to imagine nanotechnological machines to actually spread through the body and do the editing.  
     
    How advanced are we assuming the technology will be? 
     
    I’m not denying though that my speculation was intended to be more witty than wise.

  29. Rietzche. 
     
    Re: reproductive compatibility. 
    I guess that would depend if it was reversible or not. Computer programs are written so as to be unistallable. It is not inconceivable to me to make changes that provided for the possibility of undoing them later. 
     
    In the specific case of the 2 metre erection: It should be possible to expand the organ with specially tagged cells that could later be switched into apoptosis mode with the appropriate trigger. Or perhaps you could shed it and grow a new more normal one.  
     
    Is it not possible that genetic technology will be able to invent tricks and techniques that don’t exist in nature? Why do you think that there are there limits to plasticity? Will the cellular “computer” not follow whatever program is written into it? No matter how bizarre?  
     
    It would seem to me that once we are writing/editing the code, almost anything might be possible.

  30. It was a strange coincidence to see Marge Wurgel mentioned since, less than a month ago, I googled to her personal (rather flaky) website. I don’t know her but was somewhat acquainted with her father, Paul, over 50 years ago (in Rapid City, SD)–it was he for whom I was searching any reference.  
     
    Paul Wurgel was an extremely unusual character in many ways and was even the subject of an “urban legend” prevalent in the ’50s–about a guy who shoplifted a 12 or 14-ft canoe from Sears, Roebuck and was arrested 
    “when he came back for the paddles.” 
    The story was partly true–he did walk away carrying the canoe–but the part about coming back for the paddles and being arrested were just bunk.

  31. “they gave them kinky hair and the big earrings are i think a cue that they are ‘black.’ racial perception is somewhat subjective” 
     
    This page has something on that topic: 
     
    http://eyewitness.utep.edu/Documents/Holguin%20WPA%202000.pdf

  32. The girls seems to have the best and most natural transformation, although her nose is a bit too flat for a somali

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