Comments on: Computing the spread of lactase persistence

By: Nathan Cook

Nathan Cook — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:33:45 +0000

John – from a quick scan of the paper, it’s a posterior density of region of origin, not for the allele, but for co-evolution of the gene and a dairy culture! Each point represents the outcome of a simulation; the heat map was generated using a kernel density estimator (presumably Gaussian), and looks smooth because kernel density estimators don’t recover high frequency information. They’ve really created a very detailed simulation – it even contains topographic data to model the effect on mobility of terrain.

By: John Harvey

John Harvey — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:44:07 +0000

What does the map purport to show? Is it a probability distribution for the single origin point of lactose tolerance, or is it a distribution map for frequency of lactose tolerance at some date thereafter? Either way, the remarkably smooth nature of the eliptical geometric shape projected onto the map of Europe seems a little odd. What am I missing?

By: Eric Johnson

Eric Johnson — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:16:16 +0000

I mentioned the cheese issue last winter, and the issue of its tolerability by lactase-negative people and whether that might negate the advantage of lactase persistence.

But on the other hand, I later mused, if the allele was strongly selected, that in itself shows that there was a big advantage in being able to take your milk unfermented. Probably. It's conceivable that the allele was selected for something else, but not likely.

Are there any butters or cheeses that will keep well in the summer? This might be the crux of the matter. They would keep if immersed in a snowmelt stream, but one might be a semi-nomad and such amenities wouldn't be available.

By: DavidB

DavidB — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:02:56 +0000

I do wonder how much fresh milk most early agriculturalists would drink. Wouldn’t they usually turn it into cheese or butter, which keep longer?

By: suvrat

suvrat — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:51:22 +0000

didn’t dairy economies spread into the pontic caspian steppes from central europe via the Bug-Deinster (Deinster valley) and Cucuteni Tripolye (eastern Carpathians) cultures? this was much before the Indo European expansion so that theory would till hold.

David Anthony’s Horses Wheel and Language makes a case for that.

By: Davide

Davide — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:11:04 +0000

>>This would seem to undermine Cochran’s theory that lactase persistence was the driving force behind the Indo-European expansion, since most scholars place the IE homeland in the Pontic-Caspian steppe (or Anatolia).

By: TGGP

TGGP — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:46:24 +0000

John Hawks expresses some skepticism.

By: gcochran

gcochran — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:50:42 +0000

The characteristic European lactase-tolerance allele is known to be fairly common in Pakistan: since lactase tolerance is also common in North India, just next door, I’d guess it is the same allele. A long and winding road from Bavaria.

By: IC

IC — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:56:22 +0000

Very interesting. Some babes just never wane in germany.

By: John Emerson

John Emerson — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:48:05 +0000

I know a lactose-intolerant Norwegian American. It seems odd, since that demographic is gig into dairying. But look at the map.

By: bioIgnoramus

bioIgnoramus — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:50:40 +0000

The hills are alive
With the sound of milking
A sound they have heard
For ten thousand years…..

By: Mike in Ottawa

Mike in Ottawa — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:18:08 +0000

This would seem to undermine Cochran’s theory that lactase persistence was the driving force behind the Indo-European expansion, since most scholars place the IE homeland in the Pontic-Caspian steppe (or Anatolia).