I pasted my "black beauty" post onto the genie, and it guessed that I was a man. Needless to say, that thing's full of shit.

"...they will be at a significant disadvantage in finding relationships and will be breeded out of society"

I think he means "will be bred". And he castigates Sailer for "trashy" writing.

"The dissolution of the Jewish people is a sad event for those who identify as such, but it is part of the genesis of the bobo class, which is partially Jeurasian."

Razib, I know you have high hopes for a caste of Jeurasian bobos who will create an oasis of real liberalism and genuine regard for the individual in a desert of group-think hyenas, but do you really think it will happen? Let's say for the sake of argument that your "Jeurasian bobos" are the best realistic outcome of our ever-coalescing cognitive elite. The worst is a caste of Brahmin-like overlords, and the middle ground is are Latin-American style "conservatism" that Murray and Herrnstein predicted in "The Bell Curve". Of these three, which do you think is the most likely? We all know that high IQ and compassion are not package deal, but neither are IQ and individualism. I suspect that the ethnic melding you speak of will occur, but it will not respect true individualism any more than the current regime does. In fact, I fear that Asian influence might strengthen the drive to create tight group bonds that ostracize non-conformists in the Japanese model. But I predict that your Jeurasians will embrace (or extend)individualism as an intense desire for money and status, not as honor, courage, and respect for the independent mind. This, of course, is nothing new. The bourgeouisie has been acting this way since it's inception. But as the cognitive elite coalesces, the Jeurasian bobo elite will become for anyone with a high IQ what the pre-Lutheran Catholic Church was for any European who feared Hell: the only game in town. In the past high IQ folks who preferred not to become consumption machines could escape to the bohemian, avant garde world or to religious institutions, for whatever relief they could provide. Even materialism wouldn't be so bad if they could put it in a historical, more worldwide perspective, but most bobos' disinclination for self-examination is matched only by their ignorance. What is someone like me to do as my Church becomes an advocate for illegal immigration and the bobos adopt (or increase) Jewish American Princess levels of shallowness?

My greatest lament as a humanitarian has long been that the social/economic changes of post-WWII America have it so extremely difficult for the low-IQ individual to live a life of honor. But then I realized that whatever their IQ, most people don't want to live honorably if it requires self-denial and sacrifice. Their choices in aggregate do not reflect well on human nature, but neither does most of what people do. However, some people do want to build lives of honor and the bobo elite must (at least) tolerate them if any greater good is to come from the Jeurasian community. If high IQ people must choose between a consumeristic but functional JB elite and black/redneck/Mexican proles, most idealistic ones will choose the latter. How can you keep the JBs from purging their critic
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"Just don't impose it on me..."

Where in that post did I tell you, or anyone, how to live their lives? Find me a quote that says "The government should stop people from being greedy pigs". I simply said that I doubt the new JB world order will be any more respectful of real individualism than the current state of affairs. If the JB crowd considers itself a threatened minority at the mercy of a large, hostile underclass the urge to censor and ostracize will be even stronger. Is this position unreasonable?

You seem to find my ideals as distasteful as I find your self-gratification/materialist stance. All this really means is that you and I are very different people. My post did not have instructions. It did convey my negative feelings of consumerism as an attitude toward life, but I'm sure you can live with my disapproval.

Godless, I really don't care what you do or how you live. But if all the JB dream accomplishes is that we trade one high IQ groupthink for another, how will we be better off?

"I suspect high IQ people find 'vulgar consumerism' too boring to provide much long term gratification." Well, I doubt the line between "vulgar consumerism" and "non-vulgar consumerism" is that sharp. Both low IQ and high IQ men spend money on cars and clothes that they think will help them get laid. There's nothing wrong with this, but I just don't see much fundamental difference. High IQ men are probably more selective in their purchases and consider ramifications (e.g. will this look like I bought it for tonight?), but the motive is not that different.

High IQ people probably pay more attention to quality and shop with a long-term or intangible goal in mind, such as a specific color couch to match the wallpaper they chose for it's classical theme. There is nothing wrong with this, it's how style, aesthetics and the arts function. Looking for a really expressive sweater is a lot of fun. But if, outside work, you spend most of your time shopping even for beautiful things, I find this a little creepy. Maybe I'm just a nerdy bookworm who would utterly miserable shopping my life away.

You used the word "instant" not I. I don't "idealize" proles, and I certainly didn't mean to convey that I did. They terrify me, even if I do pity them. If I had to choose between them and the bobos, I'd go with the bobos, I just want a third option

My notions of individualism and high IQ people's propensity for it are very much colored by my residence in Washington DC. EVERYTHING here is political and/or is traceable to partisan politics. I am surrounded by very smart, very ambitious people who think their party is the savior of mankind, and that the opposing party (and its adherents) are enemies of humanity who must be crushed if their party is to build its shining city on the hill.

And as for getting a fantasy novel out of my system, I don't entirely disagree.

They'll be poor no matter what, but at least with Marxism they won't live in poverty while watching people of a different race living in luxury. That may be their best realistic option. Hell, in the same circumstances I might go along with it.

awwwww, you were adorable!

What's next? Joe Millionaire in Japan? Joe Millionaire in Ghana? This could be a fascinating display of money-hungry whorishness as a cross-cultural, universal phenomenon. If they did Joe Millionaire in Swaziland, the dude would just marry ALL the contestants and see who sticks around when they realize he's just a day-laborer.

I'm sure that THIS Torvald is a prince of a guy, but when I read the words "Torvald's saintliness" I can't help but think of the chauvanistic husband in Ibsen's "The Dollhouse". I'm sure he's been teased about it.

"He's a political wingnut who demonizes anyone with a different point of view. The world is black and white to him - no shades of gray."

Maybe Stallman should have immigrated to America and become a pundit. Anne Coulter and Michael Moore have taken these qualities to the bank.

And most Republicans can't excuse their stupidity on decades-worth of synthetic testosterone buzzing in their brains ;)

I think that as the decades progress, with more and more illegal aliens throwing themselves on our social service system, it will go bankrupt. Especially as middle-class tax paying families flee states like California, NY and the tri-state (sorta) DC area, we will finally just cut these programs all together and let our poor rot in squalor. What North American nation does this remind you of?

Of course churchgoers care what the congregation thinks of them, and that is indeed a factor in urging them toward morality. Wanting others to think well of you is normal and healthy. But gang members want to be well-respected too, so they rob and rape.

Yes, Japanese people care what Japanese think because the Japanese are a kind of big family in a way Americans will never be. Why should an unemployed Hispanic care what I think of him when we share no blood ties, national history, or life experience? Again, I emphasize the role that ethnic homogenity plays here.

Also, I don't believe that it is necesarily fear of hell that dissuades stupid religious people from criminality (when they do obey the law). I think that Christianity, at least, as taught to a stupid person offers them a coherent, easily understandable code of ethics. Who else is trying to teach stupid people right from wrong in a way they can understand? Public schools?

An Indian foundling would suffer horribly being adopted by an attentive white father who would raise him in a white bread home sans any sprinkle of curry on his rice but with the American education system and economy at his disposal. But he'd live euphorically in a squalid Indian orphange with no father at all and as one of hundreds of children in a faceless institution, located in a country where plague and starvation are commonplace.

Am I right?

"Prof Nyborg's claims met widespread criticism. "This is something that is contrary to all moral principle," said Berthel Haarder, the immigration and integration minister, adding that it was "unacceptable"."

What is immoral, the assertion that dumb women have more kids, or non-compulsory incentives to dissuade it?

"My guess is that more homogenous nations that have less internal strife, like China and possibly other Pac Rim nations, will be better positioned in the global economic market to compete with places like Brazil (and probably America too) in part because they don't have to incur these 'costs'."

I've long suspected that China will outpace America in my lifetime because their education system will not be gutted via multiculturalism shield the self-esteem of less-capable minorities.

"less capable"? Hanno, you're REALLY splitting hairs here. As for picking cotton, that is already automated. Fruits and vegetables wouldn't be far behind if unionized stoop labor made the wages high enough to stimulate development of the technology.

"When I was in college, my professors advised me against pursuing an academic career, despite my excellent record. They knew nothing of my politics. They knew only that there were no jobs for English Ph.D.s. That was 20 years ago, but the humanities job market hasn't improved much."

If anything, I'm sure the demographic decline has made it worse.

This is a perfect situation to make use of a surrogate.

Sort of. I mean that Jackie-O and the highest IQ male Gene Expressor ought to make a little science fair project in a petri dish and hire a surrogate to carry him/her, and have the baby adopted by a husband-and-wife team of physicists.

When I was born, my head was in the 99th percentile. Having just given birth to me, she was not thrilled but I think this article will cheer her up.