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September 10, 2003

Questions for readers
Below are some poll questions-I'm just curious, and I've waited a year, so I think it's not too unseemly to be nosy.... Please keep scrolling, there is something spacing between the polls (for non-American readers, liberal means right-wing social democrat, while libertarian is an extreme liberal)....
What is your political orientation?
Social Democrat
Centrist-leaning Left
Centrist-leaning Right
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What is your hightest educational level?
Less than high school
High school
Some college
Some graduate
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Probably exists
Maybe exists
Could exist
Doubt it
Doesn't exist
Couldn't exist
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Female/if I'm in the mood
Indeterminate/haven't hit puberty
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Posted by razib at 02:12 PM

I can't take seriously people who have a 'political orientation'. As soon as they've said they're a Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian etc you know you'll never hear anything original from them. They'll never think for themselves, only justify their chosen Ism. It's like arguing about evolution with creationists.

Posted by: fredrik at September 10, 2003 03:00 PM

I very much disagree with fredrik. I definitely think for myself. There's not much one can do to be truly original anyway but in terms of occupying an uncommon position if you're libertarian/conservative you are way outside of the common opinion zone.

Posted by: John Purdy at September 10, 2003 03:31 PM

I think I can think for myself. However, there's little doubt in my mind that when compared to the entire spectrum of political thought I'm a bit on the conservative side of things.

Posted by: Katy at September 10, 2003 03:40 PM

Yes godless, the reason is lazy thinking.

There's still a few people in the world who think "it must be true, it says so in the bible" - even they are above those who have a 'political orientation'. You might as well hold a sign saying "I am a moron who can't think".

Why not look at each problem and then work out a solution for that problem. Is that too hard? You need an Ism to hold your little hand? Do you approach 2 + 2 from a Libertarian perspective?

Posted by: fredrik at September 10, 2003 03:46 PM

does anyone know how to show the results outside of the administration section so that people can keep track of the results without voting???

i'll post 'em after a while anyway.

Posted by: razib at September 10, 2003 03:46 PM

btw, i didn't vote since i'm not a 'reader'-and everyone know's my affiliations-but i'll divulge just in case you don't want to read the bio and think i'm being too nosy (i know i am ;)-libertarian/college/doesn't exist/male.

Posted by: razib at September 10, 2003 03:48 PM

Do you mean 'Liberal' in the American sense = socialist, the Australian sense = conservative, the German sense = free marketeer, the (modern) British political party sense = woolly minded idealist, or the original C19 sense = liberal?

Posted by: David B at September 10, 2003 04:36 PM

haha, true david, true-i'll put in "classical liberal"....

godless-the FDP in germany is a libertarianish party-is further to the Right economically than the CDU and as far Left socially (anti-clerical, etc.) as the SPD. also, there is a "liberal international" out there....

Posted by: razib at September 10, 2003 04:46 PM

ok, i can't edit it-european liberal ~ libertarian, american liberal ~ very right wing social democrat. ok?

Posted by: razib at September 10, 2003 04:47 PM


Doesn't liberal mean socialist *everywhere*...

Churchill and LLoyd George are probably turning in their graves.

Posted by: Bob Badour at September 10, 2003 05:19 PM

Liberal doesn't mean socialist in the USA either, it's just that right wingers would like to persuade you it does. I am a liberal and I support welfare reform because I think it is a better deal for the very poor. I am no more in favor of the government doing things than most people - which gives me plenty of leeway!

Posted by: Dick Thompson at September 10, 2003 05:57 PM

Thanks, Razib - i'd sign up to 'classical liberal' but not 'libertarian'!

'Liberal' is one of those words, like 'Democratic', that gets hijacked because it sounds so *nice*.

My point about Australia is that there the 'Liberal' Party is the main right-wing party, like Republicans in the US or Conservatives in Britain.

Posted by: David B at September 11, 2003 01:37 AM

well...american republicans are in some ways a 'liberal' party-at least compared to 'conservative' parties like germany's CDU which is economically to the left of the american democratic party (which has observor status at the christian democrat international). the liberals in canada are a pretty standard center-left party-though far left in the american context. the democratic party of south africa is a liberal party-but the ANC tries to paint it as a right-wing party for whites (the ANC is itself divided between marxists, social democrats & pan-africanists). blah, blah, blah....

Posted by: razib at September 11, 2003 01:49 AM