Probably only 15 states would restrict most abortion if it was put to a popular vote

A few years ago Pew did a survey on attitudes to abortion by state, and you can see the results below in the table.

What I want to focus on is that both Kansas and Ohio have both kept most abortions legal through the popular vote. This can give us a sense of the popular mood: probably no state more liberal than them in surveyed views would approve abortion restrictions if it was a plebiscite. In fact, the victories in Kansas and Ohio, two states where the earlier poll suggested people were split, indicate that currently by popular vote only about ten states would probably be pro-life today.

Which brings me to the issue of legislatures and the parties. Oklahoma is as pro-choice a state as New Mexico on the popular level, but because Oklahoma is a very conservative Republican state, and New Mexico is a trending liberal Democratic state, their abortion policies at the opposite poles. I also want to highlight Nebraska and North Carolina, two states that are more pro-choice that Kansas and Ohio, but have very restrictive abortion laws. Finally, Florida is a very pro-choice state despite trending Republican since 2016. I think that Republican trend will be in jeopardy unless the party moderates on the abortion issue. The gap between public sentiment and the law seems too great.

Abortion laws as of Nov 14th 2022
StateLegal in all/most casesIllegal in all/most casesDon’t knowNDelta
West Virginia35%58%6%30923%
Mississippi36%59%5%30923%
Arkansas38%60%2%31122%
Kentucky36%57%7%43921%
Alabama37%58%4%51121%
Louisiana39%57%4%46518%
Tennessee40%55%5%66115%
South Carolina42%52%6%49510%
Indiana43%51%6%6548%
Missouri45%50%5%6425%
Texas45%50%4%2,5355%
North Dakota47%51%3%3384%
Utah47%51%3%3154%
Idaho45%49%6%3204%
South Dakota48%50%3%3052%
Georgia48%49%4%9681%
Wyoming48%49%3%3161%
Kansas49%49%3%3070%
Ohio48%47%4%1,132-1%
Arizona49%46%4%653-3%
North Carolina49%45%6%1,022-4%
Nebraska50%46%5%312-4%
New Mexico51%45%4%312-6%
Oklahoma51%45%4%391-6%
Iowa52%46%2%330-6%
Pennsylvania51%44%5%1,366-7%
Minnesota52%45%4%563-7%
Wisconsin53%45%3%600-8%
Michigan54%42%4%982-12%
Virginia55%42%3%882-13%
Illinois56%41%3%1,326-15%
Delaware55%38%6%301-17%
Florida56%39%5%2,020-17%
Montana56%38%5%312-18%
California57%38%5%3,697-19%
Colorado59%36%5%504-23%
Washington60%36%5%714-24%
New Jersey61%35%4%886-26%
Nevada62%34%3%314-28%
Alaska63%34%3%310-29%
Oregon63%34%3%419-29%
Maine64%33%3%303-31%
Maryland64%33%3%644-31%
Rhode Island63%31%7%305-32%
New York64%32%4%1,966-32%
Hawaii66%29%4%312-37%
New Hampshire66%29%5%303-37%
Connecticut67%28%5%377-39%
District of Columbia70%26%4%303-44%
Vermont70%26%4%306-44%
Massachusetts74%22%4%704-52%

Men and women really don’t differ in the generality on abortion

Many years ago I wrote an op-ed which reported the simple and obvious fact that there isn’t a difference between men and women when it comes to abortion as a policy issue. The only reason that the op-ed was written is that the media seem to be under the impression that women are more pro-choice than men. Not really.

Now that abortion is in the news again I thought I’d check the GSS to see if anything had changed in the last few cycles. As you can see, nothing much has (perhaps a tilt toward more support for abortion rights?). Also, the plot above should make it clear: men and women seem to change their opinions in sync. Basically there is broad social consensus impacting both sexes.

The correlation between the two series over the years is 0.83. So your eyes aren’t lying.

Down syndrome, abortion, and genetic screening

Recently there was a stupid social media controversy about George Church and an interview on 60 Minutes. I say stupid because it seems likely many people were angry at Church’s association with Jeffrey Epstein, but the conversation somehow ended up mostly focusing on the “eugenics” of a potential “dating app” using DNA (at last in some quarters).

Well, Antonio Regalado was on it, and he came back with this: Here are some actual facts about George Church’s DNA dating company. What this app seems to be is a souped-up consumer version of carrier screening. This isn’t controversial, many people get carrier screening routinely now (I’ve had it done). The Ashkenazi Jewish community has famously had a registry for Tay Sachs for decades.

Nevertheless, some people still worried about a “slippery slope.” To me, this whole discussion is very bizarre in light of the widespread abortion of fetuses which come back with positive tests for Down syndrome right now. These screens are so ubiquitous that the majority of the women who receive them in the United States are now under the age of 35. Maternal age trends support uptake of non-invasive prenatal testing (NIPT) in the low-risk population:

There was a significant increase in the proportion of specimens submitted by patients under 35, from 47.3% in 2014 to 60.3% in 2017 (Chi-square test, p < .001).

Ariosa Diagnostics alone received over 900,000 samples over a 4-year period from 65 countries. Some nations, such as Denmark, now have universal screening for Down syndrome.

What’s the point of reviewing all this? It’s that we already live in an age where someone’s genetic characteristics determined whether they will live or not live. From what I can gather the usual types who are alarmed by “eugenics” of a dating app that seems to be a glammed-up consumer carrier screen engage in benign neglect of noninvasive prenatal screening, and its consequences. Though there are many Down syndrome babies being born today, taking into account a higher median maternal age the number is probably around 30% or so lower than would otherwise be the case (in nations with universal screening it’s a much larger drop).

When “test-tube babies” became much more common, ethical worries faded. We don’t talk about the issue now. Many people from professional backgrounds made recourse to in vitro fertilization (I know many people personally who had to use assisted reproduction). Similarly, prenatal screening is very common among more educated professionals, who tend to delay starting a family. But, eugenics is what other people do. They’re just engaging in “planned parenthood.”

My own view on this is strongly libertarian. I believe that parents make the final decision when it comes to something so important. But we as a society can also talk about it because the line is probably going to be drawn at different places for different people. I have had pretty acrimonious tussles with the pro-life community which sees itself defending those with Down syndrome against genocide in the past, but the differences were clearly based on values and priors (I don’t think first and second trimester fetuses are people if you are pro-life you do).

In 2018 the General Social Survey asked if the respondent “would want to abort fetus if there were genetic defects.” It got responses from about 1,000 people. Obviously what people tell a survey is different from what they might do, but there are some notable demographic variations.

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Attitudes toward abortion and gun laws are not well correlated in the public

Because of recent tragic events there has been some talk about the relationship between abortion rights and gun laws. Basically, the idea is that those who are pro-life also reject restrictions on guns.

I don’t see a strong relationship. In the GSS I limited the data to 2010 and later. I looked at the variables GUNLAW, ABANY and ABRAPE. If it’s not clear the latter two variables relate to abortion, and the first to gun permits. Though pro-life people are more skeptical of gun permits, the difference is minor:

In 2006 a question was asked if semi-automatic weapons should be allowed to be sold to the public. The qualitative result was similar in that there was no major relationship to abortion; about 15% of the public no matter their opinion on abortion favored selling semi-automatic rifles to the public.

Obviously, this is surprising if you follow politics. But politics in the United States is about coalitions, and the politicians who favor liberalism in gun rights do not favor liberalism in abortion rights, and vice versa, because of the interest group alignments. Nevertheless, we need to be cautious about assuming there is some deep philosophical relationship that bubbles up from the grassroots. There isn’t.